Wow third post =) Anyway, AV and I were talking about the Q and how it slowly "evolves" better armour and the idea came that perhaps we could evolve the whole Q. For instace, a player starts off as an "immature" Q which has burning hands and very low stat maximums. After the Q has fought some arbitary level of "things" (this could be based on exp or # of monsters or even value of stat (although this would be easy to short circuit for a mature player) the entire Q matures to say a Q. Its stats are now higher, the graphic is different (I would be very happy to do the graphics for this as the Q is my favorite character) and perhaps the player gets something special like a better spell than burning hands or a big armour bonus, or some special new skill.. the possibilities are endless. Anyway the player keeps going and later grows to a mature Q, perhaps some sort of negative could be used here.. ie str gets slightly less but magic and wisdom increase dramatically (we are talking only about stat maxes here... ). It is only an idea and I know currently we are very busy and so implementation of this is somewhat long term. I thought perhaps though it might be good just to see what people think. I think it is a really clever idea that can be expanded apon for the wraith and Fireborn, perhaps even trolls.. and in the really long term.. everything. Characters can age and thus gain or lose certain aspects. What do you think? dnh ps. note, this is a common point in quite a few RPG games, whether we want to follow these lines I don't know, I for one don't like characters that die of old age, or get pathetically weak. I like to just play for ever.. bugger realism. But for the Q in particullar this seems like a cool idea.