[CF-Devel] Okay here goes... my thoughts

[Peter Mardahl]

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      > No, devourers gives no diseases because they don't use "path wounding".
     
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      okay.. I disagree here... Devourers is the god of all things nasty, sure
     
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      something in the disease department? thinking black plague (make little
     
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      mice come out =))
     
     
Actually, we don't "disagree".  I was just stating a fact, not how
it SHOULD be.  I've actually got no problem giving Devourers some moderately
powerful disease spells if they need them for balance.  But right now
they get no diseases.

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      Have you ever experienced retributive? (ps it was that which killed me not
     
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      face of death). It takes of 100 hp per hit, and there is nothing to
     
     
That's the spell you got to shoot at point blank, then blows up like a
fireball?  I've tried it once but I don't use it.  No characters who have it...


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      > Chain Lightning would seem to fall under the mage spell umbrella.
     
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      > If you want to code it, we could stick it in the game though.
     
     
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      yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes! =)
     
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      School finishes in 5 weeks, then I intend to get stuck in >=) I am happy
     
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      to have a shot at this. Chain lighting was the most rad spell in diablo, I
     
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      am think it would be a cross between ball lightning (a crappy spell) and
     
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      normal lightnings. It would chain ever 4 - 10 squares depending on level,
     
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      and what split randomly...
     
     
Ball lightning is pretty ineffective, I admit, but it's LOTS of fun.

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      > > Most of the other gods are abit tame for my tastes, Ruggillis avatar
     
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      > > rawks.. but no armour really means only my dragon has any use for it at
     
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      > I think that is fine.
     
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      mmmmmmmmmm, well, Rugilli is one of the most 'powerful' and yet only
     
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      one/two really can use it? nah! There has to be something that can be
     
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      done?? I am thinking maybe super fast regen? prot phys as well?
     
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      something... *cries* (Come on.. it has the best name.. surely something
     
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      can be done =))
     
     
Well, Rugilli is really a god for Dragons.  Read the mythology.
But my word isn't final, I'm not the God of Crossfire.  But we
don't want it to ROCK too hard, gotta have balance.

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      > > Well my only few gripes are, Quetzecoatls get REALLY jibbed at high
     
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      > Yeah, I realize that, and so are the Fireborn, to an even greater extent.
     
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      > I've already addressed this to some degree in my proposal to do a
     
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      > class/race split that I sent yesterday.  Will you read it and comment?
     
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      > I compensate Fireborn and Quetzalcoatls for their drawbacks by giving
     
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      yes yes yes.... I read it and I agree.. they need stat advantages not dis
     
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      ads.. did you read my stuff about girdles etc? I think that might REALLY
     
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Problem is, those things count as armor.  :(  I'd have to go muck about in
the code to except them specifically.  When I made them I wanted them
to be able to use SOME things, like shields, bracers, and girdles, as
you say.  But going and fixing all those things was too much of a task
for me at the time so I decided it was a "feature".  Even now I'd rather
fix it by adding extra stats then hacking THAT.

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      > > Wraith is neat, perhaps immune to disease would be nice in there?
     
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      > Done already in the CVS repository by adding "undead 1" to the wraithplayer
     
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      > archetype.  I removed "protected physical" as compensation, and added
     
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      okay, yes undead should defn be immune poison.. but slower... ? the wraith
     
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      in Feist moves so slow you can almost out walk it... and they get canned
     
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      by light? all that could be worked..
     
     
Bah.  It's no damned fun to move a player around that moves like molassas.
I'm damned if I'm going to make them slow.  No way.  Keeping them fun is
more important than ANYTHING else.

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      ps are wraiths affected by holyword? if they are now undead I spose they
     
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      are? perhaps abit more warning on the effects of killing players with holy
     
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      word should be put up? I accidently killed a player called Fizban with it
     
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      once (sorry Fizzy) and I found you lose ALL your exp.
     
     
I suppose I could warn about the effect of holy word on the undead when
a Wraith is made.  However, I also had intended to make holy work NOT
always work on undead.  Why should EVERY religion get something which
works on undead?  :(

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      > Demonlords are weak anyway.
     
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      *cough* HELLFIRE? *cough*
     
     
It's just an invisible fireball.  It's not even much bigger than a medium
fireball.  Unless someone turned it up.

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      I don't use Valriel.. it is wimpy god... anyway.. that doesn't work
     
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      against balrogs and Greater demons...
     
     
It doesn't?  Hmm.  Maybe I just meteor stormed those.  I didn't have much
trouble getting past those either.

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      mmm could we do something.. perhaps turn them into a completely different
     
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      breed of dragon? (hell dragon? emerald dragon (play around with palette))
     
     
Yeah, I like that idea.  "Baby dragon" is just WRONG.  Those suckers are
MEAN (which is reflected, actually, in my dragon style maps.).  I was
considering calling them "Salamanders" because they look lizardish and
spew so much fire.

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      > > word than a goblin or demilich would? cause I think it sucks how the big
     
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      > Partial protections, man!  It would fix this SO neatly.
     
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      > Give the big suckers protections in the 80% to 90% range. perhaps...
     
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      perhaps... but protection from what? holy power? I spose so... then even
     
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      greater demons etc could have the immunity removed? 
     
     
YES YES YES EXACTLY!!!  They dropped dead too easily to holy word because
of their size.  THAT is why I made them immune, NOW I remember.  If we
could make them 90% to 95% immune....

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      > Well, for Rug, I think it means that only Q's would want that religion,
     
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      > which I think is fine.  Devourers is good for wraiths:  I was considering
     
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      > adding a "cause many wounds" spell, which would work like bullet storm
     
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      > or bullet storm, and finally give Devourers a way to advance that isn't
     
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      > like cleaning a cargo ship with a toothbrush.
     
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      hmm maybe? mmmm perhaps a level above avatar? an even greater god thingy?
     
     
No, I was thinking in the level 3 range.  It would scale up in power with
level to "meet new challenges."


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