Hello again Rick, I know you lack the access to do so, but could you pass on to bob that Metalforge really needs to be updated. There are some major bugs in 0.97 that are causing undue deaths and broken characters. Very soon version 1.0 will come out (either this weekend on next), could I stress to you it is highly important that as many bug testers are out there before the release. If people aren't playing 0.98 or higher, we can't fix problems cause no one will be playing it to be sure. This applies to all server admins. If anyone is interested I have, and Joris has (and probably Mich) scripts which will auto update using cvs. thanks for you consideration, dnh