Another cause of seg faults that has been around ALONG time is this one, Got update_item command for item we don't have (8198364) Segmentation fault That is what the client spews out. It has been around for along time I tends to turn up in the chests in the titan castle random maps by peterm. Should defn be fixed before V1, I am running on the LATEST cvs of the post 1.0 client, on csua which is about half a day old I think. dnh