dnh wrote: > > I am not 100% but I am fairly sure alchemisty scrolls have vanished They are still in the treasure lists. I notice that skill scrolls don't show up very often, so it becomes pretty hard to know if one has disappeared. i've been keeping an eye out for skill scrolls, and I know I haven't seen some at all, despite looking a lot at the shops. The rarity of some items in shops is a problem (or maybe not depending on your point of view). What I can see happening is a mad rush to magic shops as they reset on active servers as player look for the specific items they want. The original reason I added the identification tables was before then the only way to identify stuff was via the spell (or scroll), and if playing with a few people, the shops would very quickly get cleared out of any id scrolls around because they were so useful. I think it would be much cooler to have guilds where you can learn the skills. Pass a test (if deemed necessary), pay some money, and get the skill. This can easily be done by the various invisible object inserters (or creator). The advantage of object inserters is the character does not then need to read the scroll. REally, that grunt fighter should really be able to learn punching without much difficulty, but with the current literacy methods, its actually pretty unlikely he'll learn it from a scroll.