Yeah AV, I figured that out awhile ago =), you are indeed correct. Mich, well I often had "bad" days on all the servers, where lag would com ein pulses like you describe. I found often it was because i didn't have image caching on, and so that big piece of lag is it downloading the images, this may not be the case for you though. /me pokes AV, come into #crossfire soon dude, got much to talk about. dnh