[CF-Devel] FW: hi guys

[Michael Toennies]

Well, that 2nd mail from wyvern guy.
Remember this whole thread is not as hot as it seems..
So, please no flame mail to anyone, this was a mail to me.
Michael


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      From: Steve Yegge [mailto:
      
      stevey at cabochon.com
      
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      Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 6:23 AM
     
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      michael.toennies at nord-com.net
      
      
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      Subject: Re: hi guys
     
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      Hi Michael,
     
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      Incidentally, I read through the shout logs today and saw the
     
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      conversation you had with some of the players online.  It's
     
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      not surprising that they were rather hostile to you, because
     
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      your wording was (I believe) rather too strong.  Wyvern has
     
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      over 3500 pictures (all of them done by artists who have
     
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      never seen Crossfire in their lives), and you chose two or
     
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      three of them that looked similar to pictures in Crossfire
     
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      and used that as the basis for labeling my game as a "clone"
     
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      that "stole" everything from Crossfire.
     
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      Quite frankly, I'm surprised that the makers of the Titan board
     
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      game haven't sued to make you remove your artwork for the
     
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      Behemoth and the Chinese Dragon in Crossfire, both of which
     
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      were clearly photocopied from the tiles in the board game.
     
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      Not to mention the ghosts (from Gauntlet), and I could go on
     
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      with more examples if I put my mind to it.  The Crossfire team
     
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      STOLE artwork from these other games, and I don't see any
     
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      mention of them on your website.
     
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      Do you see my point now?  If you lighten up a little bit,
     
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      people will go easier on you, I think.
     
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      Regards,
     
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      -steve
     
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      Michael Toennies writes:
     
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       > Hi
     
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       > Iam Michael Toennies from the Crossfire dev team.
     
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       > I got a look at your game and i was somewhat suprised because
     
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       > its a nice crossfire clone.
     
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       > You have done some great work! New ideas and so on!
     
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       > Nice.
     
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       > Well, what a bit sad is, that you don't give a single note to 
     
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      crossfire.
     
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       > Like "inspired by crossfire" or something.
     
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       > Notice, that the crossfire guys (i speak about mark wedel 
     
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      which has now the
     
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       > copyright stuff) are very friendly.
     
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       > So, even if you plan to go commercial, there should be no problem.
     
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       > But i really just wonder, you guys don't even make a small not 
     
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      about it.
     
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       > Remember, that some gfx ideas etc. are from outside guys. When 
     
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      one of this
     
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       > is pissed
     
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       > about "to close" same gfx...
     
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       > You players get a bit pissed as i call your game a crossfire 
     
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      clone, so thats
     
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       > not the way
     
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       > this should go.
     
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       > I really love to see, how we can make there a better notice about the
     
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       > others.
     
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       > And perhaps there is more than only notice. Many crossfire guys hasn't
     
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       > problems
     
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       > to share ideas or code/work woth others...
     
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       > Notice, that iam not direct from server team.
     
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       > Iam the guy who coded the DirectX client, ported the server to 
     
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      win32 and now
     
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       > i had ported
     
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       > the game to true ISO style and nearly finished a SDL client, 
     
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      which will let
     
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       > crossfire run
     
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       > under several OS with same client... and alpha blending etc. 
     
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      will no problem
     
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       > (i got 55 fps
     
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       > under windowed mode with a p500 yet).
     
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       > So, i know the problems with this old die hard linux server 
     
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      guys... Same
     
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       > really hate me
     
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       > because i opend CF to windows worlds... and i really thought 
     
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      about making a
     
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       > WinCrossfire...
     
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       > Well, but i found it better to invade them, instead of split. :)
     
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       > Michael
     
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