[CF-Devel] altars

[dnh]

Yes. I really like this idea. We move some temples out of scorn (to far
away) and we give them the flag convert_player_religion. We make these
altars very rare (for example mostrai could be a lost relic from a by gone
era of dwarves living just east of navar).

Indeed we could even make the temple of the firegods final altar, a
special god or something the possibilities are much more interesting. I
would certainly like to see this, cause I really hate how easy it is to
kill yourself on an altar.

mids, can you conduct a poll?

dnh

On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Mark Wedel wrote:

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      On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, dnh wrote:
     
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      > Interestingly it seems the code should move the player in the opposite
     
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      > move_player(pl,absdir(pl->facing + 4)); /* back him off the way he came.
     
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      > Why did I not get this affect?
     
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       It reverses the direction you are currently facing. This may not be direction
     
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      you approached the altar from.
     
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      Consider the case below:
     
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       Area to the left is a big room, and the altar is where the A is,
     
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      and the passage is single width.
     
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       When you first come to the altar, the code above would work fine.
     
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      But suppose the case is now:
     
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       With M being the monster you are attacking in melee.  Reverse the direction
     
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      does no good, as it just puts you into a wall
     
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       Probably the easiest fix is to require something more than just praying
     
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      to be a following.  Maybe you need to do something like
     
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      'use_skill praying become_follower'
     
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       or the like.
     
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       Or the idea of only some altars doing automatic conversions (as MT suggest)
     
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      is completely reasonable.  It should be hard to come up with some flag
     
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      that does that.  Altars found in dungeons could still assist in getting
     
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      grace and other benefits, but would not change your religion (praying
     
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      over one may still have bad effects, like reducign grace).
     
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       I'm not sure making conversion from one religion to another for free is
     
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      a good thing.  I could then see characters saying 'hmm.  About to go
     
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      on the dragon quest - let me follow the god that gives me really good
     
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      fire protection.   Ok, done with that, now time for undead, so let me
     
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      worship the undead destroying god', etc.  Making the altars harder to get to
     
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      may not make it quite so bad, but do realize that experienced players will
     
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      quickly learn where these altars are, and they will probably end up on
     
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      web pages or other spoiler information, so effectively everyone will know
     
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      where they are.
     
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       This is one reason for the row of gods in the start town.  The other is
     
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      that gods are very important, and before when the altars showed up randomly,
     
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      it could be a real pain to find the altar that you really want.
     
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       Now adding in advanced temples could be interesting.  You've gained some
     
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      levels, and to progress your learning, you need to visit the high temple
     
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      of sorig at the mountain tops.
     
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       The actual effect of this could be mean several things.  Each altar
     
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      could have a level, and this transfers to what power of benefits you
     
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      may get from that altar (so for the ones in scorn, praying over them is
     
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      not going to get you much in the way of special benefits).  This level
     
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      could also be used to determine the maximum preist level spells you can
     
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      cast - so maybe you can cast up to level 5 from the temples in scorn,
     
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      but the high temple of sorig lets you cast up to level 15 (praying
     
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      on a lower level altar does not reset this value lower, but to be
     
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      able to cast these high level spells means you need to make at least
     
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      one journey to the higher level temple).
     
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       Of course, this is a lot of work - new maps would need to be done,
     
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      changes to altar and praying code, etc.
     
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