pc-crossfire at crowcastle.net wrote: > > It seems that you can't use oratory or singing with multi-square monsters. > > Is this intentional? There is definately code in place to prevent this from happening. My guess is that code is there to prevent singing/orating to supposed tough monsters. Unfortunately, some amount of the code presumes that multispace monsters == real tough, so things shouldn't work on them. there are of course some pretty weak multi spaced monsters (giants, wyverns). There is also code for orate/singing to prevent it from working on creatures with messages. This makes some amount of sense (don't want pc to be able to orate to some critical npc or clear out goths tavern), but it does mean that any monster, no matter how weak, is immune to those skills if they have any message. A few archetypes actually have default messages (raas, dwarf priest, dwarf wizard, sages, guildmasters)