Well, apparently you don't get negative experience for successful castings now (not that I saw anyway), but after a few normal looking successes, I suddenly jumped from 5 magic / 31 mental to 10 magic and 110 mental, exceeding the maximum experience.. eek! This was while creating simple formulae in multiples of 200. johnny PGP Public Key available from: http://www.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x17BF1DD3