[CF-Devel] Adding New Stuff (again) - Requests and suggestions

Sat Apr 26 17:31:00 CDT 2003

Flying Pedestrian wrote:
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      On Saturday 26 April 2003 02:26 am, Mark Wedel wrote:

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      Okay - that's not much more complex than "cat newtreasures >> treasures" so

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      that takes care of my concern there, too, since it doesn't actually require

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      a complete recompile.

  Even a recompile isn't that big a deal. The big deal with source code changes 
is it is much more likely to not patch correctly or whatnot - you are requiring 
that the server have roughly the same version as you patched against.  That is 
not always true.

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      Two additional minor suggestions there - support for a "resistance" allowing

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      a character to be healed by a damagetype (only if the >100% resistance comes

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      from ONE object) - e.g. Fireborns might have a 105% resistance to fire, thus

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      being healed at a rate of 1/20th of the damage that would have been done by

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      fire (might be possible to extend this to allow characters/monsters to

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      recharge mana/grace from particular types of attacks as well.)

  resistance above 100 isn't really supported.  Its a nice idea, but I also 
wonder about balance issue (fireborn now less dependent on a cleric for example 
- he fireballs himeself - not only does he kill the monsters around him, but he 
gets healed).

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      If I wanted to play with a calculator instead of playing the game I'd be

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      playing on a MUD or something :-)

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  But at some level, everyone still does comparision (this armor gives me more 
protection, but I move slower, etc).  And for most, one can compare weapons 
pretty easily and figure out what is best.

  I'd note that under the new skill system I am working on, this will likely be 
more an issue - each skill has its own level - no more categories.  So if you 
started with punching, and got to level 5 in it, and then learned karate, most 
likely that punching is going to be a lot better than that karate because of the 
extra levels you have.  So it is more likely you'd stick with what you learned 
first.  Now if 1st level karate is better than 5th level punching, that has soem 
other issues.

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      This is true, and actually I could see re-simplifying and reorganizing unarmed

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      combat into a smaller subset - "humanoid unarmed" (punching, wrestling,

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      karate) and "animal unarmed" (biting and clawing and trampling).  Point both

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      the skills and abilities at the same two attackmessages tables and you're

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      done...cuts down the redundant message tables and "non-weapon attacks" while

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      keeping a rational division between the types.  Rough difference would be

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      humanoid combat = faster but lower damage, animal combat=slower but higher

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      damage ("base" values).

  Probably the only people that really use the unarmed attacks at all are those 
with no choice (weapon prohibition).

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       I'd say some of it depends on thought process.  If you come up with a new

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     monster/class/spell/skill, ask yourself, what does this add to the game? 

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     Why are you adding it?

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      THIS I completely understand and agree with.  I'm more wondering, for example,

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      where the line for "many smaller differences" or "a few larger differences"

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      crosses the point where someone else might find it worth trying out...

  I can't really answer that point.  I know when peterm added beholder to his 
server (as a race) it was fairly popular.  I'd think that most new features will 
at least get tried out, because the players are curious.  However, it is 
certainly possible that they try out a new feature, say 'this sucks', and then 
never use it again.  OTOH, one has to be careful - if each new feature is better 
than what is there before, you get power migration.

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      I tend to want to design new things as ideas strike me and on those occasions 

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      where I have a small amount of spare time to work on them...rather than

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      having an idea and waiting for an email committee to re-design it for me (and

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      then waiting for the NEXT batch of spare time to arise) before I actually try

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      to implement it :-) so it would be helpful to be able to at least make a

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      reasonable guess as to whether or not a new race/item/spell/whatever is

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      "different enough" before spending much time on it (either in implementation

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      or waiting on the aforementioned email committee...)

  I can understand that - people want to do whatever now, and not wait.  My 
solution to that is to post out my ideas long before I'm likely to have time to 
work on them.

  But that said, I don't think the information is out there right now to really 
say 'that would be a good feature' or 'that would be a bad feature' based simply 
on stat/damage/whatever.

  The other thought is to try to talk to people on irc - that at least might 
give some immediate feedback if people think it is a reasonable idea or not.

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      (I actually think there are more than enough classes already, so that's

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      not specifically an issue.  Races and spells (and cults and quests which

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      can be built with and around them...if/when I finally get time to figure out

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      map-making) are where I'm thinking at the moment.

  IMO, more maps would probably be one of the higher priority items.  There 
isn't a lot missing in terms of 'wouldn't it be nice if this skill/spell/race' 
existed.  And likewise, there are tons of items. OTOH, if you have a new idea 
like 'heres a neat new skill', that'd be cool.  Just because I can't envision 
them doesn't mean there aren't things to be done there.  Its just that I don't 
see anything that is really lacking.

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