[crossfire] Re: [Crossfire-devel] Made a CVS upload error: /maps-bigworld/unlinked/mlab-devel/mlab-devel.tar.gz

[Mitch Obrian]

Note: I've though about asking for just such a backup
cvs dir/branch before, perhapse it would be a good
idea? 

--- Mitch Obrian <
     
     mikeeusaaa at yahoo.com
     
     > wrote:

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      For all other maps sans mlab I follow the map guide.
     
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      However mlab was started way before these, thus it
     
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      uses the flatdirectory structure so it stays
     
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      working.
     
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      I've seen maps break many times before, including my
     
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      tavern when it was uploaded to cvs originally.
     
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      Why must there be contoversy just over a file
     
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      system? 
     
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      If I can't upload my maps to CVS where do I back
     
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      them
     
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      up to? Are they that worthless? I do a fair amount
     
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      of
     
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      CF work in arches and non-mlab maps, could I have
     
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      alittle slack? Why is there opposistion just because
     
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      I
     
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      put the maps in their own flatlevel dir?
     
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      The reasoning that mlab doesn't even deserve to be
     
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      in
     
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      CVS is very alienating, I've worked years on theses
     
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      maps. I work nearly constantly on maps for CF.
     
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      Mlab could be intergrated into CF-proper right now
     
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      if
     
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      I was just given the OK. If an exception to the dir
     
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      rule was made.
     
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      I though after being involved in CF this long the
     
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      controversy was over and I could develop as a
     
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      regular
     
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      without asking about every change. I uploaded mlab
     
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      so
     
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      it would be with CF, so if my computers go down my
     
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      years of work are not lost. Sure one can say "go
     
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      find
     
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      some other place to back up to" but... that's
     
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      basically telling the person to screw off; their
     
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      work
     
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      is of little value.
     
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      The tar is uploaded so it itself is not lost, it is
     
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      only 5 megs.
     
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      --- Alex Schultz <
      
      alex_sch at telus.net
      
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      > Mark Wedel wrote:
     
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      > 
     
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      > > The mlab maps obviously do not fall into that
     
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      case
     
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      > - they are clearly 
     
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      > > being actively developed, and the person doing
     
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      so
     
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      > has CVS.
     
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      > >  One problem that arises from this is that there
     
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      > really isn't any way 
     
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      > > for anyone to integrate the mlab maps - your
     
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      > trying to integrate a 
     
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      > > moving target.
     
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      > >  The other is that this really just seems to be
     
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      a
     
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      > way to avoid the 
     
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      > > mapguide - I know Mike doesn't want to follow
     
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      our
     
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      > map directory layout 
     
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      > > or some other areas of the mapguide.
     
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      > > [snip]
     
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      > >  But then I'm still stuck figuring out what is
     
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      > going to happen with 
     
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      > > all this mlab stuff - either the correct rules
     
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      > should be followed and 
     
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      > > this integrated in properly with the maps, or it
     
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      > probably shouldn't be 
     
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      > > there.
     
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      > In terms of integrating a moving target, I don't
     
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      see
     
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      > how it would be any 
     
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      > better if they weren't in CVS. Really, the target
     
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      is
     
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      > still moving if one 
     
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      > was trying to work from Mike's periodic mlab
     
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      release
     
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      > tarballs, so though 
     
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      > it being in CVS doesn't solve the moving target
     
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      > problem, it does allow 
     
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      > the movement of the target to be tracked better
     
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      > which IMHO is somewhat 
     
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      > helpful to the moving target situation, even if
     
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      only
     
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      > slightly.
     
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      > In terms of mapguide issues, I agree, though if
     
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      Mike
     
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      > is too unwilling to 
     
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      > change, it may be possible to fix many of the
     
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      > mapguide issues by script 
     
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      > (i.e. the directory layout could be autogenerated
     
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      > from the map name 
     
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      > prefixes that Mike is using), however chances are
     
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      > this would break from 
     
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      > time to time, so I don't see this as too appealing
     
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      > an option unless Mike 
     
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      > is willing to adopt such fixes for the development
     
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      > of mlab. I know one 
     
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      > of Mike's worries with changing his current layout
     
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      > is that scripts could 
     
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      > possibly end up creating small errors and
     
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      breakage.
     
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      > Question to Mike: What exactly in the mapguide are
     
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      > you opposed to? And 
     
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      > why exactly?
     
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      > Alex Schultz
     
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