[crossfire] renaming binaries (was: Moving server towards a modularized system?)

[Miguel Ghobangieno]

Understand this Yann. IF crossedit is removed I remove
myself. Do you want to lose your biggest current media
contributor? If so then remove crossedit.

I think you need to fork off crossfire and make your
own project where you can do whatever you want.
Perhapse crossfire-awsome.sf.net?

--- Yann Chachkoff <yann.chachkoff at myrealbox.com>
wrote:

> > I am not opposed to porting crossedit to gtk
> however.
> >
> The current difficulty I see with crossedit is that
> it is rather heavily dependent on the server code. I
> think that the best would be at some point to get
> the editor - being GTK, Athena or whatever else -
> get its own codebase, alongside the client and the
> server.
> 
> This, however, would require significant work. The
> question being: do we really need to maintain two
> editors ? When the Java Editor was introduced, my
> answer to that question was "yes", because a lot of
> machines were a little too tight to run the Java
> Editor comfortably. But nowadays, my answer would be
> "no" - most not-too-ancient computers can run it,
> and it offers more functionalities (I think) than
> the old Athena Editor.
> 
> > But if my favorite editor is removed outright...
> java is not an option. 
> 
> Well, it would be interesting to understand why Java
> isn't an option for you - did you have issues with
> the Java Editor when trying it ? If so, report those
> on the ML, so work can be done on it to try to solve
> them.
> 
> > However crossedit works great (IMHO) now, so there
> really is no reason to change it.
> 
> But it definitely wouldn't work anymore if
> significant changes occur in the server code - in
> particular, getting rid of the Athena Editor would
> allow to remove the separation between the "common"
> and "server" subdirectories - something that makes
> the code structure more complex with no real benefit
> (other than allowing the Athena Editor to exist in
> the first place). 
> 
> > All this constant talk of removing things is
> displeasurable, thus my retirement for a time.
> 
> Notice that it was never suggested to remove game
> functionalities, but obsolete protocol commands,
> pieces of code not used anymore, or tools that got
> outdated by (supposedly) better ones.
> 
> It may mean that some low-end computers that were
> previously able to run cfclient/crossedit will not
> be able to run their replacements with the same
> level of comfort, yes. But are we targetting the
> game at computers manufactured ten years ago ? I
> agree that not limiting Crossfire to the most modern
> machines is very important - but I am not convinced
> that we should extend support *that* far in the
> past.
> 
> > If the things I like are not removed I'll come
> back, if the things I like are removed I won't come
> back. 
> 
> I'm immune to that kind of childish ultimatum, and I
> hope other developers are as well.
> 
> > I am also waiting on some new features aswell.
> 
> Nobody prevents you to code them and submit a patch
> on the ML if you want them. If no coder wants (or
> has time) to code your suggestions, it is their
> choice and you have to deal with it.
> 
> > I trust all notice the drop in cvs commits? That
> is because I am uninspired as I watch the CF dev
> team discuss the most effective way of canning the
> whole project.
> 
> And now, we're responsible of your lack of
> inspiration... Given that inspiration is something
> often driven by an unknown and highly complex mental
> process that science still fails to properly
> understand, I suggest that the discussion about
> possible future changes continues, as we're
> absolutely unsure that stopping it would solve your
> imagination issue.
> 
> Now, I could suggest you various things to get
> inspiration back, like reading books, have a walk
> outside, listen to music, or spend less time ranting
> (which definitely can have a negative impact on
> imagination).
> 
> > How about not removing things from the game, a
> novel idea, no?
> 
> How about proposing an alternative to "let's keep
> everything unchanged forever" - a novel idea for
> you, wouldn't it ?
> 
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