[crossfire] race/class lacks distinctions

[Tchize]

Hello,

This has also been discussed during the g2g night brainstormings. We 
have come up with an interesting way to circuvent the general problem of 
'all character are the same at high level'. We applied a similar view to 
your 'different skill level' but better at the 'class' level. In 
essence, uou have class skills, and you get an artificial bonus level in 
the skills associated to the class. A character that has spend most of 
his life as a warrior, for example, has a 1 handed weapon level of, 
let's say, 100 and a class level of 80 granting him a +15 level bonus in 
one handed weapons.  There are lots of other things around this, we went 
even further in this system to force player to priviledge some path of 
development and end up with different characters. It's quite an 
interresting idea, but i don't plan to explain this to mailing list for 
now, it will be detailed in the g2g meeting result document.

I am waiting for the g2g attendees to revise the draft i wrote before 
publishing it. However, i hope to send to result document to the mailing 
list for mid-july.


Mark Wedel wrote:
>   It has long been discussed that with a few exception (the non humanoid races 
> and the classes that prohibit weapons/armors), a lot of race/classes tend to 
> blur together.
>
> There are several reasons for this:
>
> - There are not really any race/class restrictions for objects (or conversely, 
> not any objects that only clerics can use, or that only fighters can use, etc). 
>   While there is a 'ring of the paladin', you don't need to be a paladin to use 
> it for example.
>
> - Pretty much all the skills are learnable, so what skills you start out with 
> are not very important - you can learn everything else later.
>
> - Most differences in stats can be overcome fairly easily by use of items that 
> improve your stats.
>
>   In terms of these issues, I think the first could be fixed by adding new items 
> and a little code - use a key/value to store what class/race can use an object, 
> and add some code in the apply logic to check for it.
>
>   For the skills, my thought would be there should be different levels (for lack 
> of better term) of skills.
>
>   For example, there may be 4 different skills of sorcery - basic, expert, 
> advanced, mastery.  However, these all tie in with the same skill.
>
>   The sorcery class starts with the mastery skill.  Some of the other classes 
> (if they get several casting skills) maybe get those at advanced.  Skill scrolls 
> would give you basic skill, and perhaps quests or other harder to do things give 
> you expert.
>
>   What exactly these differences mean would have to be worked out.  At a most 
> basic level, it could determine the rate of exp you gain in the skill (basic 
> gets 25% of normal or something). There could also be level caps - mastery caps 
> at 110, advanced 75, expert 50, basic 25 (however, the fact there really aren't 
> many spells above level 20, this may not mean a lot).
>
>   Maybe for fighting skills, it means you get some extra hp (1/x skill levels?) 
>   Maybe only experts/masters get that bonus?  Or get a better bonus?
>
>   I think various cool bonuses for different skills could probably get worked 
> out.  But what this does it make your class selection more important - you can 
> choose a wizard and really play them as a fighter - sure, you can still fight, 
> but a person who plays a fighter will become a much better fighter.
>
>   I don't really have any good solution to the stat problem - I don't think that 
> is really solvable.
>
>
>
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