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<div>I suggest you start citing your sources or stop being a stick in the mud.</div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 3:28:50 PM EST, Ruben Safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
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<div>On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 07:15:42PM +0000, bill billy wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/discord/investors/investors_list#section-investors" target="_blank">https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/discord/investors/investors_list#section-investors</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Researching these topics takes only slightly more effort than it takes to imagine some conspiracy scenario.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">There is no consiracy there but there are wreckless young turks without<br clear="none">an insite to how technology works or how platforms are exploited.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">after repeated lawsuiteis and event after event, exploit after exploit,<br clear="none">manipulation after manipulation, exposee after exposee, I get sick of<br clear="none">discussing it with idiots who simply don't understand the risks of the<br clear="none">survaleince state and couldn't care less about their civil rights, let<br clear="none">alone can understand usability issues or the science of human interface<br clear="none">design.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Please don't pretend to care about accomidations from people who spend<br clear="none">their lives thumbing on cellphone tablets so small that noone older than<br clear="none">forth car see them or use them...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The ignorance is so thick...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:48:09 PM EST, Nathaniel Kipps <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nkipps@gmail.com" href="mailto:nkipps@gmail.com">nkipps@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ruben@mrbrklyn.com" href="mailto:ruben@mrbrklyn.com">ruben@mrbrklyn.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums..<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > They depend on a browser, they spy on you, they are not quick, they<br clear="none">> > don't integrate with my email client, I can't run them from a shell,<br clear="none">> > they are a security nightmare, they don't allow for smother<br clear="none">> > communications .... etc etc etc.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Let's not be too hasty here. After all, those are perfectly valid<br clear="none">> reasons, but they are only reasons why *you* choose not to use those<br clear="none">> communication methods, and not reasons to get rid of them entirely. To<br clear="none">> follow the same argument, I could say that we should end the IRC<br clear="none">> because "it depends on specialized client software, it doesn't let me<br clear="none">> smoothly integrate images and video into the chat, I can't run it from<br clear="none">> my phone, and it makes it very hard for non-savvy people to<br clear="none">> communicate." Remember, the systems that the CF community uses to<br clear="none">> communicate are there for the benefit of all community members, and it<br clear="none">> is up to the entire community to make reasonable accommodations so<br clear="none">> that we exclude as few people as possible. Just because some people do<br clear="none">> not wish to use a specific communication channel does not mean that<br clear="none">> the project should not endorse it.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> And so, the issue we are trying to address here is that there is a<br clear="none">> division between the members of the crossfire community. There are<br clear="none">> some that prefer and are very familiar with IRC, but have issues with<br clear="none">> using other methods of instant chat, and there are those that prefer<br clear="none">> more modern systems like Slack and Discord, but have issues with older<br clear="none">> chat systems like IRC. As it currently is, it does not entirely make<br clear="none">> sense to use IRC only, or to use Slack/Discord only, as we will be<br clear="none">> alienating people either way. That is why I am proposing that we have<br clear="none">> a way of bridging the two, so as to best serve both types of community<br clear="none">> users, and ensure the gap between "IRC people" and "non-IRC people"<br clear="none">> does not continue to widen. Of course, a bridge like this will almost<br clear="none">> certainly require some kind of sacrifice on both sides of the fence,<br clear="none">> the true question is whether the expanded accessibility is worth the<br clear="none">> additional sacrifice.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> More specifically, the two primary areas that would "sacrifice" are A)<br clear="none">> the IRC chat messages would be sent to a third party, and could be<br clear="none">> read by and responded to by members that are not on IRC, and B) the<br clear="none">> message history in the "other" chat system would most likely be<br clear="none">> limited, so users of that system would not be able to easily<br clear="none">> scrollback to their heart's content, as they are accustomed to.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Thoughts?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> (P.S. Ruben, perhaps I should clarify that I'm not trying to attack<br clear="none">> your perspective, only point out that it's a personal choice, and I<br clear="none">> don't think it should be a guiding principle for the project)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> (That being said, I do hope that everyone on this list continues to<br clear="none">> respond with their own comments and opinions.)<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> --DraugTheWhopper<br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> crossfire mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crossfire@metalforge.org" href="mailto:crossfire@metalforge.org">crossfire@metalforge.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire" target="_blank">http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> crossfire mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crossfire@metalforge.org" href="mailto:crossfire@metalforge.org">crossfire@metalforge.org</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire" target="_blank">http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">So many immigrant groups have swept through our town<br clear="none">that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological<br clear="none">proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.mrbrklyn.com " target="_blank">http://www.mrbrklyn.com </a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.nylxs.com " target="_blank">http://www.nylxs.com </a>- Leadership Development in Free Software<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources " target="_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources </a>- Unpublished Archive <br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.coinhangout.com " target="_blank">http://www.coinhangout.com </a>- coins!<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.brooklyn-living.com " target="_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com </a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, <br clear="none">but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013<div class="yqt6299919720" id="yqtfd19192"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">crossfire mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crossfire@metalforge.org" href="mailto:crossfire@metalforge.org">crossfire@metalforge.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire" target="_blank">http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire</a></div></div>
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