Armour Class discussion, was Re: [CF-Devel] Crossfire's Speeds andweapons

[Michael Toennies]

Hi

Perhaps we should use the 3rd Edition changes.

ALso, for map design/monster calculation we can make some better balanced
maps and monsters, if the ac/wc calculated like downwards. Its always a good
idea to make things easier.

But when we do changes, i suggest to implement the 3rd AD&D rules exactly,
because iam also a old RPG guy and the AD&D rules are "the rules".
Also, I never get very happy with this THAC0 system
(i have some AD&D books here from before this times).

I find it always to complicate for a simple thing like armor and hit.

MichToen

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      Traditionally AC has has been calculated on the basis of 20, counting
     
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      downwards.  However the current trend is going the opposite.  AD&D 3rd
     
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      Edition starts at 10 and goes upward.  This system is now the new standard
     
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      for the D20 Open Gaming license as well.  The reason is for simplicity,
     
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      all you have to remember is higher numbers are better.  Like what DNH
     
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      suggests.
     
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      If AC needs to be renamed, then perhaps calling it Defense Rating or
     
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      Defense Class ?
     
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      Another note, if AC is changed to "bigger is better," would changes to the
     
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      WC (displayed in the client) need to be changed as well?  Again, it goes
     
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      to the non-THAC0 system that 3rd edition now uses.  If your WC + d20 is
     
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      greater than opponents AC, then you hit.
     
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      Let the discussion continue =)
     
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      On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Erik Gjertsen wrote:
     
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      > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 
      
      dnh at hawthorn.csse.monash.edu.au
      
       wrote:
     
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      > > * Change AC so that the displayer AC (in the client) is (AC -
     
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      20) x -1.
     
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      > > This will then mean the overall Armour Class a player has is
     
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      give as zero
     
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      > > then increases as more AC is gained. Although I know it has been a
     
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      > > tradition to have it going 20 then decreasing, I would like
     
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      to make it so
     
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      > > that all numbers are -> Bigger = Better. (On this theme we recently
     
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      > > changed it so that higher values of hunger are better, it
     
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      used to be that
     
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      > > hunger -1 is good.. but this seemed alittle out of place).
     
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      > I mostly agree on your proposals, but I don't like this one... Armour
     
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      > class has always been calculated with a basis of 20, counting downwards
     
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      > when adding armour. This is so in AD&D, this is also so for
     
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      most all RPGs
     
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      > and MUDs.
     
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      > Call me conservative, but I'd really hate to see that change.
     
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      If you chose
     
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      > to do this, you should really call it something else, since AC
     
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      (or Armour
     
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      > Class) is a very old RPG term, and would confuse a lot of people if not
     
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      > used as it should be.
     
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