I have started testing out Gaea with a monk and have come across a few issues. First off I have started redoing the xpm images for the monk as I don't like the current ones. The first of this set can be found at, http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~dnh/religous/monk/newmonk/* I believe the monk should be a powerful cross between warrior wizard and monk. Strongly religous to the state of a zealot, these warriors go out in search of blasphemers and put them to rights. I disagree with the current setup, which is (remember there is +2 because of weapon disadvantage) Str Dex Con Int Wis Pow Cha 21 21 21 20 20 22 17 i think more focus on dex and wisdom at the cost of str and int. Str Dex Con Int Wis Pow Cha 19 23 20 19 21 20 17 Also I think monks should get a little extra bonus on the wc and weapon speed as they gain levels. Like Qs now get armour I think a Monk should rapidly develop deadly karate skills. Towards later levels a monk is left with only physical attack and a pathetic damage. By adding the extra wc and damage a monk wont be completely dead in the water (although it is impossible to get points off alot of high monsters.. and in some cases impossible to kill them (shadow tiger, which could be moved to unnatural). These are my thoughts now, but they are subject to rapid change, currently with a whole host of special defensive spells gaea is quite a good god, and with a monk an exception level gainer at low levels. After dreads though points become harder to gain than standard gods and players. Infact at level 20 I am still having troubles killing hill giants, and I have no chance against a troll, meditate is good but can only be used away from combat, it is no help in the middle of a battle unless you can retreat. Basically the monk and fireborn are facing some serious problems, map makers have made maps for themselves, and they forget about the fact that some players can't get any attack type other than physical (and fire). The only way they can complete maps is with the aid of a friend, which is fine but creates some big problems. It has been suggested by peterm that we leave the fireborn alone as it can be the super challenge character for the most experienced players to prove themselves. dnh PS. I have taken up AVs offer and shall replace my pantheon with his version, discussion continues regarding exactly what we are changing so keep an eye on it.