>> according to the handbook wraiths should be immune to disease and also >> not need any food, however in practice player chars of race wraith do >> get sick and do consume food.... since when has this been changed and >> not documented in the handbook? > > Dunno about diseases, but I recall wraiths consume food more slowly than > other races. there is in fact no way at present time to make a race that > requires no food at all - you can just give them a very high sustenance > value so that their food consumption is much lower. > > The idea of wraiths (and fireborns for that matter) eating food is a bit > odd - certainly if it is food of the same type as the other races. You > could certainly see wraith's food to effectively be the lifeforce of > creatures they kill - doing that would require a bit of code > modification. Old idea: Wraiths (or Devourer followers) reduce the HP of anything around them, way w/in a 3x3 square area by issuing the create food prayer (or a modified version of it). If there is nothing animated nearby them then they are in deep trouble (perhaps the spell might trade mana for food). As a last, desparate ploy they can eat "normal" food but must consume 10x more of it per Kcal to get any benefit. They would be born w/ the skill of "suck life out of", with higher levels being able to get more hp from other high-level monsters. This would include whatever -- minimal -- level of life force animates undead creatures nearby. The skill would do some damage, transferring the resulting HP to the wraith. Code for it is rather similar to Destruction, with an add'l counter that up's the user's hp/fp. This is similar to *Angband handling of Vampires: they get little benefit from eating food, only way to keep fed is drink blood. This has an advantage since they don't have to carry food and do damage when they do suck blood; tradeoff is that they have to get near enough to get hit in order to suck the blood. If the only thing nearby is a Dragon and you're hungry, oh well... > Hard to say what a fireborns source of food should be - in theory > something like fire, or maybe flamable liquids (booze) at least? Having > it fire would be a bit odd - it just means that the fireborn casts > fireball on itself to eat. OTOH, that may give them a use for wands of > fireball and the like if they don't want to burn up their spellpoints to > do it. They could live on fire. Similar to handling of Wraiths, above. They get X Fp/turn by being in a flame. If they stand in front of a dragon they might never need to eat :-) Problem is that if you get hungry in a roomfull of treasure it can be a nasty choice... This could be handled by reversing the sign for their damage-from-fire and leaving them "vulnerable" to fire. As their exp goes up they become more "vulnerable", which is to say they get more points added to their current stats by being exposed to fire. Given the FP remain at zero forever and the hunger rate is fairly low, sitting away from flame would slowly reduce their hp due to constant starvation; entering a flame would regen the hp due to negative damage. Survival at low levels could be handled by giving them low hunger rates, that go up with exp. Worshipping Ruggilli would cost something there, but added protections and easy access to fire in most dungeons would tend to leave this sustainable. Another alternative is to say that fb and w's don't need "food" but "lifeforce". They basically live at zero fp forever and consume mana to survive. This means that if their SP goes to zero they begin to "starve". Their "food" would be existing restore mana potions and magic crystals (basically they'd store "food" by charging the thing before going into battle). This would effect their mana regen, with the "food" use offsetting any normal regen rate (i.e., just recompute the regen rate at a fraction of what it otherwise would have been). A damaged character uses more fp to heal, which would effectively reduce their sp regen rate; casting healing spells would basically be tradeoff of prayer points for spell points. This mehtod would probably be sustainable since both fb & w's have fairly high pow stat limits and end up being magic users, which up the pow stats to begin with. This would tend to give them fast enough mana regen to begin with that they could survive lower levels. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582