[CF-Devel] Forgotten child

Fri Oct 3 13:48:22 CDT 2003

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Todd Mitchell wrote:

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      I really think that the development community has been given a bad

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      reputation lately and from some people who couldn't take the time to do

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      even a basic amount of research.  This problem has nothing to do with

I don't understand this. Y'know what I did, for example? I saw things
going wrong, asked somebody, and got this mail list. And wrote some
mails. Doing research? No, I don't want to do that. I just tell things I
think should be told. That's all. I'm a simple player. I have right to
raise my voice. You not like it - kick me from the list (if you had the
right...).

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      the coding side of the project and everything to do with server

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      administration.  Players using 1.5.0 server could continue on a server

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      for the next 100 years but with no expectation of game enhancements.

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      I think that perhaps the server listings have been getting lax and that

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      real messages should be put in place on the metaserver list defining the

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      release of a server, the client requirements and proper warnings to

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      players of the server goals.  Also if the different server

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      administrators would work together it should be possible to have some

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      players (windows DX player) migrated off to a server that would be

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      pleased to support them and provide a stable code base for their use

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      (1.5.0 most likely).  I think more people are angry at the Metalforge

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      server being updated than they are with any real development issues, but

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      are mistakenly equating the two as the same issue.

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      I also must say that there have been a few very loud voices who are more

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      interested in stirring up fear and loathing than in resolving any of

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      these issues.  I know that being told that your player will be deleted

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      is a pretty loaded statement, especially when it is unlikely that any

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      such policy is being implemented.  Also logging into metalforge and

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      shouting out that your characters are going to be deleted is even more

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      of a diservice to the player community.

Well, IMO players should be treated as humans, not as experimental rats.
Why is it stupid to think they have the right to know what's going to
happen to them? They are humans, they act as they should act. Keeping
things secret just to be sure players won't disagree is unfair (and
disgusting).
Besides, I think informing players _should_ be done properly anyway.

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      >>  Yes, this is a problem.  I've considers locking CVS access so that

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      >> only I can commit changes to the server.

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      It is a bit drastic, however with the different CVS modules so long as

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      there is still some access to modules like maps and arches and with less

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      requirements for server changes now that spells and treasures can be

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      done out of the server code this would be reasonable I suppose.  One of

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      the goals of making things modular (like skills and spells and treasure

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      are now - thanks Mark) is that this would be easier to manage and design

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      can be more seperated from server code.

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      > The root problem here is the questionable code check in, no?

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      >>  One solution could perhaps be something like 'want to put a new

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      >> feature in? Need to fix one of the outstanding bugs' or soemthing.

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      >> But I'd hate to have to enforce such a notion.

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      > I'd suggest more something like 'you commit code, fine, it breaks the

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      > game, YOU fix it'.

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      No, if it breaks it is removed makes more sense.  You can't force people

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      to fix things correctly, but you can remove buggy code.  But on the

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      other hand there has been some good code committed too I believe.

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      >>  I'd also like to see more maps.  I don't know why more people aren't

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      >> making them - that seems like one of the more noticable features that

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      >> players would notice, eg, most everyone would see your maps.  Good

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      >> maps probably get more acclaim than most any code feature.

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      > One thing for making maps is testing. That's why some people wanted a

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      > server for Win32, to test their maps.

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      > Though it seems to me that most people are either players or developers,

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      > thus not making many maps, but more playing or contributing to the code ^_^

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      Making maps takes a while, another thing is that making maps requires

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      playtesting.  I have added a few maps in the last while and a LOT of

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      objects and graphics for mapmaking with pretty much no response from the

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      development community.  They are sitting there waiting to be tweeked or

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      responded to. I wouldn't say that there is no work going on in this

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      direction.  Of course it is strange that more mapmaking is't happening

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      but then there are a lot of maps waiting to be committed or finished

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      prior to being committed out there.

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