[crossfire] Re: I'll commit the large denomination coin archtypes, I'd like to edit the amber coin to look more ambery (any objections)?

[Miguel Ghobangieno]

The regional currencies should be paper money rather
then coins. (Imperials would not be a regional
currency).

While regional currencies exchange values could change
depending on factors that are not in the game yet the
silver, plat, gold, jade, and amberonium coins should
keep their absolute value forever.

--- Mark Wedel <mwedel at sonic.net> wrote:

> Lalo Martins wrote:
> > Local currencies
> > =================
> 
>   As a note, while having local currencies add
> flavors, I'm not really sure if 
> it is worth the complication/confusion it is likely
> to cause.  This will likely 
> be somewhat related to how many regions we have. 
> But one can certainly see a 
> case where a player becomes a citizen of a new
> region and is now really confused 
> on those values.
> 
> > 
> > The player needs to have a field or force saying
> his region of
> > citizenship.  This would be used for appraisals. 
> To do this, in the
> > hall where you select starting city, the exits
> would be replaced with
> > player changers (and the code needs to be updated
> to handle this new
> > type of player changer).
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > When you sell something at a store, it would pick
> the coins to give you
> > from the region's money.
> 
>   To me, it would probably make more sense, but
> perhaps be more confusing, to 
> get appraisals based on the region you are in.  It
> perhaps seems a bit odd be in 
> a shop, examining your objects, and being told it is
> worth 5 pp, 2 gp, but when 
> you sell it, you get 2 amber coins & 2 copper ingots
> or something.
> 
> > 
> > UNDECIDED: shops may either accept any and all
> money (easy to do -
> > instead of iterating over a list of money archs,
> it iterates over the
> > money archs in the player's inventory), or they
> may accept only region
> > money, forcing you to go to the bank first. 
> Thoughts?  If we go with
> > the second, then "tourist-friendly" shops can have
> converters in a corner.
> 
>   Having to convert money to me just seems a bother
> (find I nice item in a shop 
> I want to buy.  Oh, I'm in pupland, have to leave
> the shop, find a bank, convert 
> the right amount over, etc).  And if the conversion
> isn't 1:1 (eg, the bank 
> takes some percentage for service), then it becomes
> even more a pain, because 
> you don't really want to convert more you need. 
> You'd also perhaps get the the 
> case that gems become the most stable money,
> presuming you can still sell them 
> in the shops and get whatever money.
> 
> > 
> > Monster treasure would also pick from the region
> money, although I
> > suppose we could allow a money field in the map
> too, if you want a map
> > to give funny money.
> 
>   Note that right now, treasurelists are coded with
> actual coin types, and not a 
> 'money' type.  So making this change requires some
> mucking with the treasure 
> generation code, and could be relatively complicated
> especially if the different 
> regions don't have that 10:1 ratio (eg, region the
> uses copper, silver, gold, 
> and platinum ningis, with 7:1 for each ration
> (copper ningi has base value 1, 
> silver ningi 7, gold 49, platinum 343).  Converting
> what as 500 gp now becomes 1 
> platinum, 3 gold, 1 silver, 3 copper ningis).
> 
>   If this change is made, I'd suggest all
> treasurelists need to be updated to 
> have a 'money' metatype, with the nrof representing
> the total value of the 
> goods.  Any treasurelists that specifically mention
> coin types would use those 
> coin types.
> 
>   That said, throwing in the odd foreign currency in
> a dungeon would make things 
> interesting.  Imagine those low level players
> adventuring around scorn and 
> finding some ningis and asking what the heck are
> those.
> 
> > 
> > Then it's all fun... I'd suggest getting rid of
> the existing
> > gold/silver/plat "generic" coins and replacing
> them with non-coined
> > pieces (which probably explains their relatively
> low value).  Then
> > introducing the "scorn penny", "scorn shilling",
> "scorn pound", "navar
> > cent", "navar dime", "navar dollar", "pupland
> marks", and so on ad
> > infinitum.
> 
>   Not until relative recent history did paper money
> really become popular.  That 
> said, if currency is changed, I'd suggest unique
> graphics (that are clearly 
> distinguishable) are probably desired - having
> bunches of coins in my inventory 
> that all look the same would be confusing/annoying,
> and remove some of the 
> reason for doing this, which is to add character.
> 
>   That said, one could make some changes fairly
> simply - one region could use 
> triangular 'coins' instead of round ones.  Also, if
> the face was replaced by 
> just a single large coin (vs the stack like there is
> now), this would allow more 
> detail to be put into the image - perhaps even
> enough to put different images on 
> the coin face itself.  After all, for most all other
> objects, each imagine 
> represents just one of that image, and not a pile.
> 
> > 
> > This can also support mwedel's notion of accepting
> gems as money, by
> > simply stating in the appropriate code that type
> GEM is as acceptable as
> > type MONEY.  So if shops accept foreign currency,
> they will also accept
> > gems; if they don't, you'll be able to put gems in
> the money field for a
> > region or map.  (Carrying gems would then be a
> good strategy when going
> > to a new country - you'll never know if they have
> exchange service for
> > the money you have...)
> 
>   As a note, I'd think any decent sized place (large
> enough to have its own 
> currency) should have a bank to convert the
> currency.  Simply because if it 
> doesn't, this adds more bother (shoot, can't convert
> from navar dollars to 
> ningis here, have to go back to scorn, convert the
> navar coin to scorn, then can 
> come back here and convert to ningis).
> 
>   Map wise, this is actually quite easy to do -
> since objects can accept generic 
> 'money' type things, you don't need to actually put
> in tables for all the 
> possible currency people will deposit - you can just
> put in one table of 'drop 
> foreign money here to convert to
> copper/silver/gold/platinum ningis (different 
> tables depending what you want).  Player comes in,
> drops whatever they have on 
> the gold ningi table and it converts it for them.
> 
>   In fact, right now, the current scorn bank is
> outdated in this sense - there 
> isn't need for the gold to platinum table - one
> could easily enough set up an 
> 'money to platinum' table.
> 
>   This is how the identify tables and the like work
> - they don't care on the 
> coin presented, they just care about the value.
> 
>   But that then leads into that other problem - with
> local currencies, you'd get 
> your money when you sell stuff in these different
> currencies.  But to change the 
> behavior of how these tables and the like work adds
> a bit more complication also.
> 
> 
> > 
> > best,
> >                                               
> Lalo Martins
> > --
> >       So many of our dreams at first seem
> impossible,
> >        then they seem improbable, and then, when
> we
> 
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