[crossfire] the scale of stats (was: race/class lacks distinctions)

[Alex Schultz]

Mark Wedel wrote:
> Alex Schultz wrote:
>   
>> Mark Wedel wrote:
>>     
>>> I don't really have any good solution to the stat problem - I don't think that 
>>> is really solvable.
>>>       
>> Well, adjusting or removing the stat limit of 30 would allow those base
>> stat differences to matter more at higher levels, however doing that may
>> cause more problems than it solves. Also, something I've saw some muds
>> do, that might deal with that, is when one gains a level, randomly, some
>> stats will increase depending on the class. Of course, those muds did
>> have their stats on a different scale (starting stats ranged from 7 to
>> 30 or so depending on race and class, with stats of the very very very
>> high level players getting to like 500 even).
>>     
>
>   But there is always some issue.
>
>   If we say stats go up to 100, then a couple point swing at first level isn't 
> likely to make much difference.
>
>   You now need to make the differences for race/class like ±5.  But even then, 
> presumably the bonuses tend to get flattened out, so a +5 is like a +1 right 
> now.  It may mean a character has a 45 vs 40 strength based on race, but that 
> may not mean a whole much.
>
>   However, the idea of stat increases as you gain level is interesting.  If we 
> say stats go to 100, you could have some logic that each race has a difference 
> balance on what stat will increase.  Eg, for a troll, might be 75% that str, 
> con, dex get increased (one of those), and 25% for the rest of the stats.  Thus, 
> a high level troll would have a high natural str, dex, and con, and still pretty 
> crummy pow, wis, cha, int.
>
>   If such a redoing of stats was done, would have to figure out how to deal with 
> stat potions (maybe make it so that drinking one only has some % of increasing 
> that stat or just do nothing, so same thing happy - if you play a fighter 
> class/race, you will have good stats).  Or maybe just make generic 'improve stat 
> potions', which sort of act like what happens when you gain a level


Wim Villerius wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 22:48 -0700, Mark Wedel wrote:
>   
>> I don't really have any good solution to the stat problem - I don't
>> think that is really solvable.
>>     
> It might not be solvable without a lot of work, but I really think
> adding a zero to the max stat would make a huge difference. That would
> as well allow a change of the effects stats have. Now the difference
> between 29 and 30 is incredibly big. It seems to be exponential, which
> doesn't make much sense IMO. I think the difference between n and n+1
> should become smaller and smaller (now it's bigger and bigger)
> (Anyway, this is quite a distinct discussion)
Well here's a new subject then :)
Hmm, from what I've heard here, and from players back when I was playing
more frequently, I would say that having stats go higher would be a good
thing. The issue really is if it is worth the effort of rescaling all of
the player stats, all of the item stats, and adjusting everything where
the code looks at the stats really. I personally think it would be a
good idea, however we would certainly need a detailed plan to address
those sorts of issues.

Alex Schultz