[crossfire] the scale of stats

[Alex Schultz]

Mark Wedel wrote:
> Alex Schultz wrote:
>   
>> Well here's a new subject then :)
>> Hmm, from what I've heard here, and from players back when I was playing
>> more frequently, I would say that having stats go higher would be a good
>> thing. The issue really is if it is worth the effort of rescaling all of
>> the player stats, all of the item stats, and adjusting everything where
>> the code looks at the stats really. I personally think it would be a
>> good idea, however we would certainly need a detailed plan to address
>> those sorts of issues.
>>     
>
>   Maybe for the 3.0 TODO list :)
>   
Hmm, this tempts me to want, after 2.0 is released, to make a separate
3.0-dev branch in cvs, to allow for features on what will be the 3.0
todo list, that we don't want in 2.x, to be worked on. It might involve
a little effort, syncing changes from the 2.x tree to the 3.x tree, but
I don't think that would really be that bad, and is an extremely common
practice in larger projects with many more commits to handle.
>   If stats are redone, the bonuses should be changed so that they are linear and 
> not exponentional like it is now (for example, something like .25 SP/power/level 
> or the like).  Exact bonuses could be worked out later, but it shouldn't be 
> exponential.
>   
I would agree with you there.
>   But to my mind, there are several issues.
>   
Same :)
>   IF we suppose the max stat is now 100, what are characters starting stats? 
> Still in the 15±5 range?
>   
Personally, I'm thinking more in the 20±14 range, including racial and
class bonuses, as a base before such bonuses, I'm thinking somewhere in
the 20±8 type of rage. Of course, I believe that the 15±5 as it is now
could very well be made to work.
>   How do racial maximums come in?  How can any character ever hope to get close 
> to a 100 stat?
>   
Personally, I don't think there should be a 'racial max' really, but
instead just have the races affect the chances of gaining stats due to
levels, as I mentioned in my previous message.
>   Do items now need to be adjusted?  a +3 Str item right now is pretty cool. 
> Under a revised systems, that may not mean much.  And if the end result is that 
> everything basically just get multipled by 3 (you now get +15 stat items, etc), 
> you then have to look and say what was the benefit of doing all of that.
>   
Personally, I'm thinking that multiplying existing item stats by about
3x or 4x would work decently if the max was made about 100, though
perhaps certain items may merit exceptions and need a value a little
different than that.
Also, weapon stat enchantment scrolls would need adjustment, and
personally I think the way to do that, would be by making them improve
the stat by a randomized amount, something like 2±2 or so.
>   I think it only make sense if it is tied in with some new form of stat 
> improvement.
Yes, such as the gaining stats with levels as I mentioned in my previous
post, or something else perhaps. In any case, I do feel that a different
form of stat improvement than currently is needed anyways, as currently,
people just get their racial max extremely quickly with potions, and I'm
not sure I like the concept of racial max in it's current form anyways.

Alex Schultz