[crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

Thu Feb 7 15:03:59 CST 2019

On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 08:34:34PM +0000, bill billy wrote:
>  I suggest you start citing your sources or stop being a stick in the mud.

This is not a debate.  

>     On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 3:28:50 PM EST, Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:  
>  
>  On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 07:15:42PM +0000, bill billy wrote:
> >  
> >    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/discord/investors/investors_list#section-investors
> > 
> > Researching these topics takes only slightly more effort than it takes to imagine some conspiracy scenario.
> 
> 
> There is no consiracy there but there are wreckless young turks without
> an insite to how technology works or how platforms are exploited.
> 
> after repeated lawsuiteis and event after event, exploit after exploit,
> manipulation after manipulation, exposee after exposee, I get sick of
> discussing it with idiots who simply don't understand the risks of the
> survaleince state and couldn't care less about their civil rights, let
> alone can understand usability issues or the science of human interface
> design.
> 
> 
> Please don't pretend to care about accomidations from people who spend
> their lives thumbing on cellphone tablets so small that noone older than
> forth car see them or use them...
> 
> The ignorance is so thick...
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:48:09 PM EST, Nathaniel Kipps <nkipps at gmail.com> wrote:  
> >  
> >  On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> > > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums..
> > > >
> > > > Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them.
> > >
> > > They depend on  a browser, they spy on you, they are not quick, they
> > > don't integrate with my email client, I can't run them from a shell,
> > > they are a security nightmare, they don't allow for smother
> > > communications .... etc etc etc.
> > 
> > Let's not be too hasty here. After all, those are perfectly valid
> > reasons, but they are only reasons why *you* choose not to use those
> > communication methods, and not reasons to get rid of them entirely. To
> > follow the same argument, I could say that we should end the IRC
> > because "it depends on specialized client software, it doesn't let me
> > smoothly integrate images and video into the chat, I can't run it from
> > my phone, and it makes it very hard for non-savvy people to
> > communicate." Remember, the systems that the CF community uses to
> > communicate are there for the benefit of all community members, and it
> > is up to the entire community to make reasonable accommodations so
> > that we exclude as few people as possible. Just because some people do
> > not wish to use a specific communication channel does not mean that
> > the project should not endorse it.
> > 
> > And so, the issue we are trying to address here is that there is a
> > division between the members of the crossfire community. There are
> > some that prefer and are very familiar with IRC, but have issues with
> > using other methods of instant chat, and there are those that prefer
> > more modern systems like Slack and Discord, but have issues with older
> > chat systems like IRC. As it currently is, it does not entirely make
> > sense to use IRC only, or to use Slack/Discord only, as we will be
> > alienating people either way. That is why I am proposing that we have
> > a way of bridging the two, so as to best serve both types of community
> > users, and ensure the gap between "IRC people" and "non-IRC people"
> > does not continue to widen. Of course, a bridge like this will almost
> > certainly require some kind of sacrifice on both sides of the fence,
> > the true question is whether the expanded accessibility is worth the
> > additional sacrifice.
> > 
> > More specifically, the two primary areas that would "sacrifice" are A)
> > the IRC chat messages would be sent to a third party, and could be
> > read by and responded to by members that are not on IRC, and B) the
> > message history in the "other" chat system would most likely be
> > limited, so users of that system would not be able to easily
> > scrollback to their heart's content, as they are accustomed to.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > (P.S. Ruben, perhaps I should clarify that I'm not trying to attack
> > your perspective, only point out that it's a personal choice, and I
> > don't think it should be a guiding principle for the project)
> > 
> > (That being said, I do hope that everyone on this list continues to
> > respond with their own comments and opinions.)
> > 
> > --DraugTheWhopper
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