[crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

Thu Feb 7 15:10:26 CST 2019

 If you're going to call people who don't subscribe to your particular brand of  paranoia 'idiots' you should probably be up for a debate (and know how to spell incite).
Time after time you suggest new people coming in learn Linux or use IRC all the while it would be far more intelligent to adapt to new players coming in. Are you actively trying to keep Crossfire to the handful of people lucky enough to know about it?
And what was with that 'turk' comment anyhow? lol
    On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 4:04:15 PM EST, Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:  

 On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 08:34:34PM +0000, bill billy wrote:
>  I suggest you start citing your sources or stop being a stick in the mud.

This is not a debate.  

>    On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 3:28:50 PM EST, Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:  
>  
>  On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 07:15:42PM +0000, bill billy wrote:
> >  
> >    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/discord/investors/investors_list#section-investors
> > 
> > Researching these topics takes only slightly more effort than it takes to imagine some conspiracy scenario.
> 
> 
> There is no consiracy there but there are wreckless young turks without
> an insite to how technology works or how platforms are exploited.
> 
> after repeated lawsuiteis and event after event, exploit after exploit,
> manipulation after manipulation, exposee after exposee, I get sick of
> discussing it with idiots who simply don't understand the risks of the
> survaleince state and couldn't care less about their civil rights, let
> alone can understand usability issues or the science of human interface
> design.
> 
> 
> Please don't pretend to care about accomidations from people who spend
> their lives thumbing on cellphone tablets so small that noone older than
> forth car see them or use them...
> 
> The ignorance is so thick...
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:48:09 PM EST, Nathaniel Kipps <nkipps at gmail.com> wrote:  
> >  
> >  On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> > > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums..
> > > >
> > > > Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them.
> > >
> > > They depend on  a browser, they spy on you, they are not quick, they
> > > don't integrate with my email client, I can't run them from a shell,
> > > they are a security nightmare, they don't allow for smother
> > > communications .... etc etc etc.
> > 
> > Let's not be too hasty here. After all, those are perfectly valid
> > reasons, but they are only reasons why *you* choose not to use those
> > communication methods, and not reasons to get rid of them entirely. To
> > follow the same argument, I could say that we should end the IRC
> > because "it depends on specialized client software, it doesn't let me
> > smoothly integrate images and video into the chat, I can't run it from
> > my phone, and it makes it very hard for non-savvy people to
> > communicate." Remember, the systems that the CF community uses to
> > communicate are there for the benefit of all community members, and it
> > is up to the entire community to make reasonable accommodations so
> > that we exclude as few people as possible. Just because some people do
> > not wish to use a specific communication channel does not mean that
> > the project should not endorse it.
> > 
> > And so, the issue we are trying to address here is that there is a
> > division between the members of the crossfire community. There are
> > some that prefer and are very familiar with IRC, but have issues with
> > using other methods of instant chat, and there are those that prefer
> > more modern systems like Slack and Discord, but have issues with older
> > chat systems like IRC. As it currently is, it does not entirely make
> > sense to use IRC only, or to use Slack/Discord only, as we will be
> > alienating people either way. That is why I am proposing that we have
> > a way of bridging the two, so as to best serve both types of community
> > users, and ensure the gap between "IRC people" and "non-IRC people"
> > does not continue to widen. Of course, a bridge like this will almost
> > certainly require some kind of sacrifice on both sides of the fence,
> > the true question is whether the expanded accessibility is worth the
> > additional sacrifice.
> > 
> > More specifically, the two primary areas that would "sacrifice" are A)
> > the IRC chat messages would be sent to a third party, and could be
> > read by and responded to by members that are not on IRC, and B) the
> > message history in the "other" chat system would most likely be
> > limited, so users of that system would not be able to easily
> > scrollback to their heart's content, as they are accustomed to.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > (P.S. Ruben, perhaps I should clarify that I'm not trying to attack
> > your perspective, only point out that it's a personal choice, and I
> > don't think it should be a guiding principle for the project)
> > 
> > (That being said, I do hope that everyone on this list continues to
> > respond with their own comments and opinions.)
> > 
> > --DraugTheWhopper
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