Well, I can see we are in favour. Some excellent points have been made which i have saved but I am very worried. No one seems to have the time to do the coding and so this will not take off. I am willing to be very patient but have so far got only one maybe for the coding, although there are several people interested in the balancing. I must again emphasise that this project cannot take of without one the experience coders helping, while I can dream of doing the coding the reality is it is over my head. Peterm cannot help at the moment cause he has heaps of work to do, and Mark maybe able to help but alittle later during his holidays. As of yet I haven't seen a reply from Jan but I am waiting anxiously. I cannot believe these problems are happening, but then it is understandable. Basically right now is not a good time to take on big projects I assume? Well until someone can help, we can discuss till we're blue in the face. Is it just me that sees that this is the most important project since way back. This is going to change game play signifigantly and I believe for the better. Please consider. dnh (Darth_bob) ps. (For the gods balancing stuff I need some ideas on how to slow down mostrai for low levels. It has been pointed out that vun confuse doesn't seem very appropriate (Although poision is and I can't see why it wasn't in before). Currently Gorokh and Valriel are the finished product, I am going to make there avatars alittle more powerful but nothing more. Although Gorokh MAY get immolation... perhaps at a higher level?