[CF-Devel] some spells weirdness

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Karla Stenger wrote:
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      hi all,
     
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      	i'm just posting some weird things players have made me notice today:
     
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      	-the movement of objects caused by spells is also able to move an earth wall
     
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      from it's place, not sure if this one effect is intended, but my logic tells me
     
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      it shouldnt, maybe making the walls weigh more or do a check for the object not
     
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      beeing a wal before pulling it would be nice.
     
     
  Well, earthwalls are not walls per se.

  Something that is a wall is basically impeneterable and industractable. 
Earthwalls actually more closely resemble monsters, in that they have hp, and 
can be killed.

  However, I agree that there should be a check to see if the type is an 
earthwall, and if so, don't move it along.

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      	-the create bomb spell seems to be less powerful than before, a player with
     
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      level 33 in pyromancy told me to have great problems to kill a cyclops with
     
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      them.
     
     
  Probably true - many spells got changed in power when redone - this is simply 
due to the way damage and so forth is calculated.  However, the more relevant 
question is whether the spell is not out of whack with respect to other spells.

  that is to say, having something less powerful than before isn't necessarily a 
bug (I'd hate for that to be the case, because it'd mean nothing could ever get 
weakened).

  Perhaps an alternative is to add something like a 'greater bomb spell' - at 
some level, it is difficult to make an individual spell completely balanced for 
the complete range of levels.  For example, if (or maybe it already is) burning 
hands turned out not to be all that useful after about level 20, I'd have no 
issue with that - after all, burning hands is a first level spell - one could 
make the case that it shouldn't be useful against a level 50 monster.

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      	-the charm monsters spell shouldnt give xp in the moment you charm a monster
     
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      too instead of just turning the monsters your pets and wait for them to kill a
     
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      monster to give you some xp? i think it should at least give a fraction of the
     
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      total monster's xp, but that's just my thought abput it :)
     
     
  I take it you mean to say that the charm monster spell should give xp the 
moment the monster is charmed?

  This could be done, but is a bit different in that the model for most all 
spells is you get exp when it causes death.  Eg, we don't give exp for 
successfully casting a cure wounds spell for example.

  One problem I see with giving some amount of monster exp when spell is cast is 
abusiveness - Probably much easier/faster to charm a bunch of monsters and not 
have them kill anything vs having to charm them and then finding them something 
to kill (eg, go into room full of monsters, cast a bunch of charms, get exp, and 
just leave)


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