[CF-Devel] More Bronze Items and treasurelist + Updated clas

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Just low level creatures with poor_old and
standard_old 
use the bronze lists (though sometimes a good helmet
etc does show up). This makes treasure chests accually
usefull and exciting to find.

--- Mark Wedel <
     
     mwedel at sonic.net
     
     > wrote:

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      Tim Rightnour wrote:
     
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      > Now.. going bronze has one impact on this.  If you
     
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      create say, 1000pp worth of
     
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      > iron weapons, of various artifact/quality/value..
     
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      ie, some given set of iron
     
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      > crap totalling 1000pp, and then create the exact
     
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      same set in bronze, the bronze
     
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      > set will only be worth 600pp.  (or whatever, I
     
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      don't remember the ratios
     
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      > anymore).  Since the value of the artifact
     
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      multipliers is based on the base
     
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      > value of the original weapon, by making it bronze
     
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      you drop the total value. 
     
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      > If you then use bronze more widely than iron, it
     
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      will drop the total money that
     
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      > can be made by doing so, which is probably a
     
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      non-trivial amount.
     
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        Right, but presumably, iron weapons will still
     
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      show up occasionally also, 
     
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      right?  Eg, it may be the case that most orcs come
     
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      with bronze weapons, but 
     
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      you'd think that leader types or occassionaly an orc
     
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      will show up with an iron 
     
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      weapon (an ideal ratio for that I'm not sure).  But
     
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      I'd also note that one thing 
     
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      I always find neat is actually finding that cool
     
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      weapon that I'll actually use 
     
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      vs it showing up in a shop (wow, a +4 longsword!). 
     
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      So from that perspective, 
     
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      I'd also think you want iron weapons to show up some
     
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      of the time.
     
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      > Now, granted.. thats usually not how I made money.
     
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       If I wanted lots of $$, I
     
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      > usually went into the entrance to a high
     
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      difficulty map, and summoned monsters
     
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      > and issued killpets over and over to make huge
     
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      piles of high level treasure,
     
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      > then Id'ed and alchemized it all.
     
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      > 
     
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      > That being said.. summoned monsters should
     
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      probably have startequip set on all
     
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      > thier stuff.
     
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        Yes, probably so.  I think at one point, summoned
     
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      monsters came without 
     
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      treasure, but that created the problem that it made
     
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      some summoned monsters 
     
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      really sucky.
     
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        Alternatively, the value of all such objects the
     
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      summoned monster gets could 
     
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      also just be reset to zero.  Thus, they may have
     
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      some nice stuff, but it just 
     
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      isn't worth anything.  Although, I like the
     
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      startequip idea better - makes more 
     
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      sense since the monsters are summoned out of thin
     
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      air.
     
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