[crossfire] races

[igniz revolver]

I haven't been folowing this entire thread but I made some comments on the
classes (specifically caster classes) that may be relevant to the
discussion.

I think the maths of the caster classes could be addressed, specifically how
their mana regeneration is handled and their mana levels.

Also, the races suited to casting classes could be changed.

It seems to me that to be a successful mage you either need to have a
ridiculous pow and choose a race like fireborn, or become some kind of
hybrid mage/fighter so you going OOM isn't such an issue.

Then there's the issue of spell tables and how useful they are.

Sorcery is clearly the most useful, but without reliable aoe it is difficult
to level up. Pyromancy and Evoker tree's are obviously easier and Summoning
becomes better once you get the pet spells, however Sorcery remains poor and
largely utility for a good portion of it's career. What's more, because you
can't increase the skill without killing things, magic items become a good
and potentially better alternative.

There's an inverse problem
with warrior classes, magic is just so useful it becomes ridiculous to
not invest in it if you can. You certainly won't be wearing heavy
armour and casting magic, but praying will likely provide good
alternatives.

I think a number of classes need to be assessed for internal logic.

Imagine if you could't learn other skills via scrolls, talismans or
holy symbols and imagine the problems you'd face. IMO there should be
class feature's to handle each classes problems.

I'm intending to present a longer assessment dossier on the classes
and races of crossfire, along with suggestions, but I haven't had much
time to play crossfire or write about it.

On 26 May 2010 07:35, Nicolas Weeger <nicolas.weeger at laposte.net> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> >   Yes - I was thinking something similar could be done (either as
> advanced
> > option or some goal like you describe).
> >
> >   More player input would probably be desirable.  I'm not sure how
> > much/appreciated it would be that after you complete some goal, a new
> > race/class is open to you, but only because it is a sucky/hard to play
> > race or class.  I could see some players going 'huh?  WTF?'  In many
> > cases, such 'rewards' are supposed to be just that - something that makes
> > the game better/more enjoyable/new ability.
> >
> >   Now some players may find the option of playing a hard to play race
> > something they want to do, but I have a feeling that would be the
> > minority.
>
> What about putting a big warning when such a hard combination is chosen,
> something like 'This combo is pretty hard to play, and should be used only
> by
> courageous adventurers - you have been warned!'?
>
>
>
>
> >   And I will note that even in these cases, balancing work is still
> needed.
> >  If the character is completely unplayable, then probably no one would
> > find it interesting.
>
> Don't understimate players' feeling of challenge :)
>
>
>
>
> >   I still also stand by my point that the more options/combinations, the
> > harder it is for things to balance.  Imagine a game that only has 4
> > classes, 1 race, and only 30 monsters.  While not a very complicated game
> > (and thus not a lot of gameplay), it is something fairly easy to balance.
> >
> >   But when you have 15 different races, 20 different classes, you start
> to
> > get into a huge number of combinations, and that is just in terms of
> > playable combinations.  I'd rather just work on a smaller set, and once
> > that gets balanced (under some determination of balance), then start
> > adding in more races/classes and see how it works out.  Even as is now,
> > the number of tests needed is probably large.
>
>
> Indeed.
> So one solution is to balance for some combinations, and put a big warning
> 'this combo hasn't been really balanced, please help us fix it if you are
> courageous enough to play it'.
>
>
>
> Nicolas
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