[CF-Devel] Stats adjudication

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As far as race/class faces.  I would agree that race is visible and should
be used over class.  I'm also thinking, though, if we can get the artists
together -- have different faces for each race/class combination.  just my
$0.02.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Mitchell" <
     
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To: <
     
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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CF-Devel] Stats adjudication


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      >   I'll note that if we decide to go to a point based system, one could
     
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      start
     
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      > re-thinking much more than just points for stats.
     
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      Are you on the road to Crossfire 2.0 here?   I'm not advocating this, just
     
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      pointing out that if you are going to do some breaking it is beter to do a
     
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      big break cleanly than a bunch of little breaks.
     
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      >   As for stat system, presumably the idea of 'all players start with the
     
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      same
     
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      > stats' is meaning something like, you get 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12 (or
     
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      > whatever) and let the players arrange them?
     
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      Well I meant more like 12 12 12 12 12 12 12  (this is two points above
     
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      average if natural max is 20 BTW)and get say 5 points to add and I like
     
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      idea of limited point transfer idea where you can move an additional 10 or
     
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      so existing points around.
     
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      This could give you 15 8 15 16 10 17 9  or  20 16 15 9 12 8 9
     
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      >   that seems a bit boring to me - one could look at one of the other
     
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      proposed
     
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      > systems and say 'well, that system basically costs X points.  So why not
     
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      just
     
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      > give them X points to do as they want?'
     
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      No real reason.  This way might be quicker and have a nicer interface is
     
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      all.  I think that it amounts to the same thing really - assigning the
     
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      initial points just saves you a bit of time I think - you should still be
     
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      able to get the same results you want depending on how many points you let
     
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      people move around.  Presumably if the maximum is 20 few people will want
     
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      stats much lower than 5 (if they do then the penalties for low stats
     
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      good enough).
     
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      >   Now if one was going to re-do the stats, one could even take it
     
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      and
     
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      > re-do the stat tables.   Right now high stats are very important,
     
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      > around 20, the bonus really start jumping up (for grace, for example, a
     
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      > you a 10 bonus.  a 24 gets you a 20 bonus.  From 11 to 20, the grace
     
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      just
     
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      > goes up one at a point.
     
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      >   One could just completely smooth the tables, ala AD&Dv3.  If that was
     
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      done,
     
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      > you could remove all stat limits (90 strength?  Fine.)  This would
     
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      probably make
     
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      > things a bit more interesting in fact - do you get for that 34 int but
     
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      only 26
     
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      > pow, or do you go for 30 int and 30 pow?
     
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      On the one hand if you remove or raise the limit you will extend the value
     
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      of all stat altering objects and the value of stat bonuses in the game
     
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      is good.  On the other hand if you allow player to use these higher values
     
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      initially then you lower the value of these.  I would say you would want
     
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      lower starting values and raise the limit to get maximum game play value.
     
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      long career of gaining stats is good for business...
     
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      Now on the topic of starting out, I am a big fan of using the race faces
     
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      not the class faces.  I know that many people like the class faces so I
     
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      won't advocate only using the race ones (but come on people- race is
     
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      visible, class is just your skills....what if you are in your leisure
     
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      clothes?) and would like to see a starting option to be able to choose to
     
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      keep the race face or use the class one (hmnnn, or maybe a command to be
     
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      able to switch between them in game perhaps?)
     
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